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Hang gliding general :: RE: Smallest hill you've caught a thermal

15 June, 2017 - 18:30
Author: Maineiac
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:30 am (GMT -8)

Morningside. Grass 250'. Flying a MONSTER "BFG" by Sky Sports that Vickery wanted me to fly at Pico in '78. Ran off, straight up, with Tom Peghiny yelling "turn, turn, turn!!!!!" I gained way more than I wanted to, flew straight out and landed the thing and said NO. HUGE glider, and my hook-in was around 150 at the time (at best). I stuck with my squirrely Osprey II for the Pico thing. About 75sf smaller than the BFG Sweeny built. Maybe more.

Hang gliding Videos :: Another Inkler's Point Video :)

15 June, 2017 - 18:24
Author: ChattaroyMan
Subject: Another Inkler's Point Video :)
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:24 am (GMT -8)

If you're thinking of visiting the Inland NW USA .... we'll be having a Fly-In here on 7/14-16. Fun place to get in some airtime
I took Out There Monthly ( up on a suggestion to display one of their magazines in a photo while engaged in an outdoor adventure.

Here's the spot:

More info on the site here:


Steve Baran � U2 160 � Chattaroy, WA - USA � USHPA# 16529 �

Hang gliding general :: RE: Smallest hill you've caught a thermal

15 June, 2017 - 18:20
Author: Rotor
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:20 am (GMT -8)

The great memories of 150 ft Bird Rd. in California. It was 1989 when i started flying there almost daily for a couple years, the site was 20 minutes from home. I was told it was a ridge soaring site to low for thermals.After about a year flying there and talking to Tim Morley and Ken Muscio about thermaling up out of there and how to go about it. It started happening. I had a four XC flights out of there, my best was 30 miles. One day my brother Bryan and I both left XC out of there using the same thermal. Then a bay area fly school moved in and made it a training site that was then soon over run with many cars students and instructors that the land owner shut it down for good. It was one of my favorite sites of all time. Oh but thanks for the memories .
167 Euro Sport or ATOS-C


15 June, 2017 - 18:07
Author: Roadrunner
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:07 am (GMT -8)

I have yet to bring up the question of my offering to retrieve Pilots with her. Oops.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Fond Memories

15 June, 2017 - 16:57
Author: Maineiac
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:57 am (GMT -8)

Cool. Sensors and Ducks. Who named the DUCK, anyway?

Hang gliding general :: RE: Sky Truckin'

15 June, 2017 - 15:40
Author: Maineiac
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:40 am (GMT -8)

HA! Kent's Hill. I had to go to NYA. Let's see, there were some Wisemans and Viners that went to Kent's Hill. My brother in law managed the fields and ski hill until a couple of years ago. I wasn't allowed to go there because several of my hippie friends attended. Class of '74. The Loaf was closed AFTER they had an "International Hang Gliding Competition" there circa '74, then the TODAY show filmed and Connally hit the lodge. He was fine, but on national TV it didn't go over real well with the new owners. End of Sugarloaf. But we flew the Bigelow Range across the Valley. That's how I ended up in traction for a week in Farmington. Ditched three miles back in from the Appalachian Trail. The flight was great. The last 3 seconds not so much. Those 2 big white birches I tried to pop over to land in the alders kinda grabbed me, pitched me nose down into a dead spruce tree about 50' up. Luckily, it was just a shattered humerus. Long walk out, picking that stirrup from my Price Prone over stumps with my toe. Found the glider 2 months later. Got 2 rabbits and a partridge that day, one arm in a cast, good hand with a 20 Ga. Topper Jr.


15 June, 2017 - 15:12
Author: remmoore
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:12 am (GMT -8)

Maybe the bigger question is: What does the Demon think of your offer?


Hang gliding general :: RE: Freedom 190 or Falcon 225 for first hang glider?

15 June, 2017 - 13:44
Author: Jason
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:44 am (GMT -8)

AIRTHUG wrote: Can't blame a guy for promoting what he sells (and not what he doesn't)...

who are we talking about here.....

honestly Ryan, go take a flight on one.

I agree with a lot of what you say, faired xbars- topless single surface etc etc etc seem like wasted efforts to get a lot more with second lower surface for lower weight/faster set uptime.

however, curved tips really don't add much to see up time, and the basic freedom that I flew (granted it was at the time "full race" had light pitch and roll pressures and was generally a great glider, it was really just a curved tip mylar sail single surface, with light handling, and reminded me of the old harriers

is it a great first glider...maybe not as good as a falcon, as i said the newest falcon i have flown is my Falcon 2 Tandem and its at least a decade old now.....(jesus)

i suspect its a little less stable, and for someone new, the lighter pressures may not be the best thing, was never really marketed as an entry level glider, but a single surface for someone that wanted a glider that flew more like a topless without the weight/setup/hassel

id love to have one personally for hiking up lookout, but id take a falcon/mailbu/eagle as well

Hang gliding general :: RE: Freedom 190 or Falcon 225 for first hang glider?

15 June, 2017 - 12:54
Author: dencor
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:54 am (GMT -8)

mtnwings wrote: 90% of my students buy the Freedom and finish their training on the Freedom. Comments I have heard are: " Why have you made us fly that Falcon, this Freedom is so much easier to fly"
We train on Falcons and Condors but when it is time to buy I want my customers to fly all that are available and choose for them selves what they are more comfortable in. The Falcon when stalled or flown too slow wants to wrap up or spin in, the Freedoms will not do this, they mush and still fly straight and slow.
It is true that the Freedom is very light handling and very responsive . Here is why some pilots feel the Freedom is harder to tow and the opinion of pilots that HAVE NOT FLOWN the Freedom. Most new tow pilots train on the Falcon, a very stiff and stable glider, great for training but not for getting lots of airtime and it will wear you out. These pilot hop into a Freedom for the first time and are all over the place, usually because they have not been versed on the light handling and quick response of the Freedom. Every student of mine that has gone down to Fla to learn to tow exclaim how their Freedom was on rails when they got towed up, this is because they know to fly with their finger tips and not over control. It's more of the pilot not knowing the glider (what does PIO mean?)f Why does the Freedom usually clean up at the single surface comps, which are all tow event? Why do most all professional tow parks now us the 220 Freedom for their tandems? because that are not wearing out the tandem pilots and they can do more tandems without needing a break, they freakin handle sweet and nice.
I was going to respond the Ryans off the wall ramblings but I know that most all of you know he has never flown one and really has no idea what he is talking about, I call him " Trump Voight", or maybe " Voight Trump" either one "all lies" LOL, Love ya Ryan.
And if you ever installed the curved tips on a Freedom you would know how effortless it is.
Come visit my training hill on any given weekend and watch five, Ten and sometimes fifteen new students training on their new Freedoms and and you will see for your selves how sweet these gliders are , I invite you to do this and fly one your self before you spout off with all these untruths and second hand info that you " heard" about the Freedom. The Freedom has been out for five or six years now, I have sold a hundred of them, why are none found for sale? Why is the resale price so high on them if one does show up used? Why is the used Freedom gone in one or two days after being posted for sale? It is the best value period. Next to the Gecko it is the best glider on the market. besides, it looks so cool, all gliders should have curved tips. If you buy a Falcon you will spend all your time wishing you had a Freedom and wondering why that guy with a lot less experience is fo much higher than you. Didn't fly one? then shut up.
BYW, The Freedom if purchased in the stock configuration is , no VG, no Mylar cloth or any of the other options that are available will find the Freedom light, easy to set up, balanced on your shoulders and sweet to fly. The cool thing about the Freedom is that you can buy V.G. ( buy a new glider with out this option?) Why? Add heavy Mylar or race cloth and the glider gets heavier just as the Falcon does when you add heavier cloth. It does have a higher aspect ratio which means more wing span and more performance, a few LBS but who cares when you have a single surface glider that fly along side the Sport but with sweet single surface characteristics, very light pitch pressure and fingertip control. Why do MOST pilot that fly the Freedom land and yell out " I WANT ONE OF THESE!!!" Try one then talk about it, not before you fly one, If you say you didn't like it you are flat out lying. Mr Trump. Also ask yourself, do you want to buy a glider you will out grow in a few months like the Falcon or a glider you will want to own forever?

Sent you a PM.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Freedom 190 or Falcon 225 for first hang glider?

15 June, 2017 - 11:57
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:57 am (GMT -8)

DMarley wrote: Wow. Lots of love and real professionalism emanating from that Ellenville area. Perhaps I'll keep it floored next time I'm passing through.
Greg is just Greg. He owns & operates the "other" hang gliding shop in this area, in addition to my dad's Fly High Hang Gliding (

Fly High is the area's Wills Wing dealer, and therefore Greg sells the other brands. Can't blame a guy for promoting what he sells (and not what he doesn't)... although I know my dad is a dealer for the other brands as well, he (and I) just feel WW offers the best product line and supports the pilots best- maybe Greg feels the same way about his offerings, and he's not just pushing what he sells, but selling what he favors. Regardless, all is cooler here than it probably sounds. Greg's just an ass sometimes It's ok though, all we have to do to avoid him is fly... 'cause I meant it when I said he doesn't

Debating hang glider manufacturers and design preferences is a bit silly in the end, because variety is good, and consumer choice is good. I do like that people like their Freedoms, whether I "get it" or not. Happy pilots make me happy, too. I do believe, truly, the Falcons are better "single surface" class gliders, and so I do try to express that when appropriate... like I said, happy hang glider pilots make me happy... and most pilots- especially newer ones!- will be happiest with a Falcon (again, IMHO).

Ellenville is a fantastic flying site, too... so you'd be really remiss to speed on by on a North-West day... but that's up to you
Shut up and fly.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Velcro GoPro Mounts for Use While Flying

15 June, 2017 - 11:43
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:43 am (GMT -8)

1) Get the GoPro tripod adapter (gives you a standard tripod 1/4" x 20 threaded hole to mount to)

2) Flytec Standard Camera Bracket. I swear by it. I've mounted much bigger cameras than GoPros with it, too, and it still worked great!
Shut up and fly.

Hang gliding general :: Torry Pines News

15 June, 2017 - 05:00
Author: BBJCaptain
Subject: Torry Pines News
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:00 pm (GMT -8)

Possible changes at the Glider Port

First Flight 1979 H4 , Cirrus 3, UP Mosquito, Delta Wing Streak, Moyes XS, Exxtacy 160, Rotor Vulto, MILLENNIUM #8

Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body.
But rather to slide in sideways, totally worn out and broken, shouting
"Holy Crap, WHAT A RIDE !!"

Open carry IS our second amendment in action. Concealed carry is a regulated privilege.


15 June, 2017 - 04:37
Author: Felix
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:37 pm (GMT -8)

I think it's a great idea, and I would take you up on it if I were there! However the "minimal distance" should be more of an incentive and hopefully you won't leave the guy out there if he actually sinks out before getting to 100 miles


15 June, 2017 - 04:19
Author: Roadrunner
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:19 pm (GMT -8)

Well I made an offer to my fiend Kenny to retrieve him if he were to fly from our local Mountain site Mount Diablo. There was only one Caveat. I informed Kenny as to our One Hundred Mile minimum. We will gladly Retrieve Kenny providing He Flies X-C One Hundred Miles or More. Yes More than One Hundred Miles is not a problem .

Yes, I observe a minimum Distance, Yes. But there is no Maximum Distance Rule. Yes, fly as far ass you like to Fly.

My Question to those of you on the ORG is: Is my minimum too short? Is it Too Far? Am I being Harsh? Or am I being too Mild? Or something else all together?

I realize that most of you do not know me. But I want to say that It is great to be around Flying. Even if my role is: {THE ASSISTANT TO THE DRIVER}

Hang gliding general :: RE: Sky Truckin'

15 June, 2017 - 02:32
Author: ksykes
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:32 pm (GMT -8)

Maineiac wrote: What ski hill? Mt. Abram? The guy that ran that scared the crap out of me. I have this vague memory of another rating organization, but that's about it.

Kents Hill, the school has it's own ski hill. I'm traveling this week but I think I have my old rating somewhere.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Velcro GoPro Mounts for Use While Flying

15 June, 2017 - 00:25
Author: raquo
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:25 pm (GMT -8)

You can easily connect the screw mount to a GoPro with this little adapter:

if you got your GoPro new, you might already have it.

Software, Research & Technology :: RE: Beware of Pop-Up Scams!!

14 June, 2017 - 23:50
Author: miguel
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:50 pm (GMT -8)

I clicked a link and was directed to the same page. I clicked cancel but it took me to a Windows Defender page that will not go away. They claim I have the Zeus virus. I am guessing that I send some money and the problem goes away.

I am running linux so there is no problem.

Others might not be so lucky

Hang gliding general :: RE: Fond Memories

14 June, 2017 - 23:20
Author: kukailimoku
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:20 pm (GMT -8)

Wow, haven't seen that in forever. Thanks for posting it.
In the event of decompression oxygen masks will deploy from the the ceiling above your seat.

Untangling them will annoy you as you lose consciousness.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Fond Memories

14 June, 2017 - 23:16
Author: Avnav8r
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:16 pm (GMT -8)

Thanks for sharing this!

John Stokes
To err is human. To blame it on someone else, shows management potential.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Velcro GoPro Mounts for Use While Flying

14 June, 2017 - 21:13
Author: Soarcerer
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:13 pm (GMT -8)

Nigel Hewitt wrote: I use the Zoot mount

Interesting - can this zoot mount be used with the protective GoPro case? I don't think I can use a screw mount with that.

I don't know if you know, just wondering.
Newly-rated H2