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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Power harness at beach

27 April, 2017 - 23:55
Author: blindrodie
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:55 pm (GMT -8)

Really cool. Would like to fly it on a WW Alpha...


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Hang gliding general :: RE: Just interviewed for a magazine article

27 April, 2017 - 23:51
Author: kukailimoku
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:51 pm (GMT -8)

Good on ya', never a bad thing to have a bit of positive press.

Having done a LOT of that sort of thing, I highly recommend that you have your friend let you proofread the section pertaining to hang gliding. I've been amazed over and over with what people hear when I thought I said something else. Never with bad intent, it's just that what we do is foreign to most and they often get something seriously wrong!
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Carbon or Aluminum outer leading edges - Stiffer the better?

27 April, 2017 - 20:53
Author: adyr
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:53 pm (GMT -8)

About accidents statistics, here is an old article: https://www.ushpa.org/legacy/safety/HGHildrethSafetyArticle.pdf

Here are some docs from DHV about accident statistics, both HG and PG:
https://www.dhv.de/web/piloteninfos/sicherheit-und-technik/unfallforschung/unfall-jahresstatistik/

I don't know the number of HG pilots, I have some hints that is about 1:5 compared with the number of PG ones (34000 in 2014 from 20000 in 1997)

At a quick look, it seems that the accident stats for HG are worse than for PG

Hang gliding general :: Just interviewed for a magazine article

27 April, 2017 - 19:58
Author: flybop
Subject: Just interviewed for a magazine article
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:58 am (GMT -8)

Yesterday I was called by an old co-worker and asked if I would be interested in being interviewed for a story about hang gliding in Montana. The magazine is called, "Distinctly Montana". http://www.distinctlymontana.com/

The article will be about hang gliding, paragliding and sky diving in Montana. "Distinctly Montana" is a quarterly publication which is widely distributed here and has many subscribers around the country. The magazine is known for its beautiful photography of the incredible Montana landscape. Fortunately I have some professionally shot photos of my buddy and I soaring the Hog Back that were submitted. Hopefully one will be included in the article.

The issue will hit the shelves in June. My hope is that in the very least this will give hang gliding some good pr. Of course my biggest hope is that it will ignite a spark in a future pilot. Perhaps a landowner of a potential flying spot may for the first time see hang gliding in a positive way.
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Power harness at beach

27 April, 2017 - 19:04
Author: RobertKesselring
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:04 am (GMT -8)

Super-kool!!


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Hang gliding Videos :: Power harness at beach

27 April, 2017 - 18:56
Author: RobinANew
Subject: Power harness at beach
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:56 am (GMT -8)

I buildt a electric low powered harness for beach flying

Makes it possible to hop from condo to condo
soar on days that are not soarable
soar beaches that would not be soarable
just make the whole beach flying more accesible and funner
possibly fly a big wave

https://youtu.be/nyjaoxprshQ

Hang gliding general :: RE: Dynamic Soaring and the Albatross

27 April, 2017 - 15:57
Author: Beeza
Subject: Dynamic Soaring and the Albatross
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:57 am (GMT -8)

http://www.icarusengineering.com/Dynamic-Soaring-Down-Gust.GIF

Some sketches on the down gust diagram, bent to fit a hang glider and from my point of view.

As a hang glider can't dive efficiently it has to roll up steeply and roll flat as it comes out of the down gust. Which means it has to turn.

The down gust in a thermal may be on the edge of the thermal, but the best lift and gradient combination is further in. (Depending on the size of the thermal)

So rather than the gust being air moving down it may just be the weakest lift flown through in the circuit.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Hang & Para PR Video?

27 April, 2017 - 12:44
Author: ChattaroyMan
Subject: Re: Hang & Para PR Video?
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:44 am (GMT -8)

Wonder Boy wrote: Ever notice the vid on the bottom or the main COL page.....
Yes, forgot you had it there though :-/ (sheepish grin) Must be wearing dung hats muddling my brain
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Carbon or Aluminum outer leading edges - Stiffer the better?

27 April, 2017 - 04:37
Author: NMERider
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:37 pm (GMT -8)

AIRTHUG wrote: ....Turning this away from internet posted falsehoods and toward the greater topic of safety... we don't know what we don't know. If reading that line aloud, in the context of hang gliding and safety, doesn't make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up... then you don't get it. Not just do we not know what we don't know... sometimes we think we know about what we don't know... Yes, I posted: But I have received all manner of non-factual and phantasmagorical information from any number of respected pilots as well as everyone else. Most of it is harmless but not all of it is. Some falsehoods, myths and misconceptions can lead to harm or even to disaster. The list is a long as it is broad. Some of things highly respected pilots have told me as though it were fact leaves me shaking my head.

There's a lot of good information in the owners manual of different gliders and harnesses that too often goes untapped. There's a lot of good information in the minds of experienced and seasoned pilots. Very often they aren't even aware of what they know. They simply do what they do and don't have to think about what they are doing. But there is much more than this and some of it is published in places that are not permitted to be referenced here. A tremendous amount of valuable information is completely hidden from pilots' research due to fear of lawsuits. Many have suggested that this lawsuit aversion is a major contributing factor to our rise in accidents. I don't know the answer but it begs the question.

Luckily there is an excellent and little-used resource called the USHPA Magazine Digital Archive. I think it would be great if a volunteer complied all the old accident reports into one easily searched document. It may be possible with the current version. I recall Mark Forbes posting something about doing a fresh OCR scan to pdf of everything and USHPA making it available on a USB drive.
https://ushpastore.com/products/ushpa-magazine-archive?variant=19346102599
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Carbon or Aluminum outer leading edges - Stiffer the better?

27 April, 2017 - 02:14
Author: AIRTHUG
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:14 pm (GMT -8)

NMERider wrote:
If a pilot doesn't know something for a fact then he or she should say so. There's no harm or dishonor is saying, "I don't know the answer--why don't we see if we can look it up and find out the facts?" In the case of the 2012 5th edition manual see the screen shots below. That's trivial. It's not like some of the things people say to each other, post on the web or write in the magazine which suffers from a lack of peer review.

Well therein lies the rub, doesn't it? People don't know what they don't know. In this case you didn't know that you had the wrong manual, or that you were posting incorrect information when you contradicted the statement that T2C's have slightly lower sprogs than standard aluminum T2's. But that didn't stop you from saying it. Because you believed it. You didn't preclude it with "I think" or "I'm pretty sure"... you wanted to help people, and with the most noble of intentions you posted something you thought you knew (and at the same time contradicted something I knew and shared).

We all can be, have been, and will be incorrect now and again. There's really no need for you to comment on how your error here was "trivial" as you called it, while deflecting the attention away toward others who share much more grandiose fictions.

This is a big problem in many activities, and particularly with online forums. Most everyone has great intentions and wants to help others, so when a question gets asked, or when someone thinks they have some great insightful feedback to offer or whatever, there it is for all to see. But we- all of us- don't know what we don't know. Ponder that for a second (I think on it often, myself).

Turning this away from internet posted falsehoods and toward the greater topic of safety... we don't know what we don't know. If reading that line aloud, in the context of hang gliding and safety, doesn't make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up... then you don't get it. Not just do we not know what we don't know... sometimes we think we know about what we don't know...

Back to the carbon outers, sprogs, and T2C manual discussion- modern hang gliders are all in a continual process of glacial evolution. A few mm here and there in the sailcut, maybe a little tweak of this or slightly different setting of that. Given the significant challenges in producing such a niche product, the roles and tasks that Steve Pearson is saddled with are extensive. Mike as well. While we can be fairly certain there are no SIGNIFICANT deviations from the last-update of the manual, it's also very possible there are small differences too. Downloading the manual from the WW site is a great start... but since we weren't looking for actual measurements, you were trying to disprove that C's had lower sprogs than T2's... the best and most accurate source of fact checking would be asking the bald man in the front office. The archives of knowledge and cataloged continual changes are all filed up there upon his shoulders, even if he's too overloaded to always get them down on paper, nevermind edited into the manual and re-uploaded.

If you have a question about a Wills Wing product, start with your mentors, and/or your dealer. Check with your instructor. If you're not getting answers, or you're not convinced of the answers you are getting, Stevie is the top of the list (IMHO). He and Mike are the best the sport has in terms of factual, empirical, logical knowledge and experiential deductions of reason.
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Hang & Para PR Video?

26 April, 2017 - 23:03
Author: Nicos
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:03 pm (GMT -8)

Between us we must have a chit-ton of great footage!

Here's one I did for a film competition (hence the historical references) — the idea was for it to win to get it to a wider audience. Crappy low res footage but it still won, I suppose because some thought had gone into the storyboard.

It was essentially a piece about fear and living dreams:

Link

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Hang & Para PR Video?

26 April, 2017 - 21:29
Author: TomGalvin
Subject: Re: Hang & Para PR Video?
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:29 pm (GMT -8)

ChattaroyMan wrote: I'm looking for the best possible hang/para video(s) that represents our sports in a fashion that is appropriate for the uniformed

It's been 8 years but Lucas Ridley's video is still spot on for this purpose.


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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Hang & Para PR Video?

26 April, 2017 - 21:22
Author: aeroexperiments
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:22 pm (GMT -8)

Just heard that one of the launches "near" (3-4 hours drive) me will be closed for 3-4 days or so someone can make a movie. Be careful what you wish for.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Hang & Para PR Video?

26 April, 2017 - 19:14
Author: hangcat
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:14 am (GMT -8)

This is a good intro.

HOW HANG GLIDERS STAY IN THE AIR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qOhdl9c7rs

Hang gliding general :: RE: Suprone revisited, the "Fenison Fly Bar"

26 April, 2017 - 18:46
Author: NMERider
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:46 am (GMT -8)

sunnyjim wrote: ....Went a little nutz last night making music....it turned out mediocre but I really don't care....I am posting it here because towards the middle is a good view of the "roll in landings" I am now doing..
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Suprone revisited, the "Fenison Fly Bar"

26 April, 2017 - 18:16
Author: sunnyjim
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:16 am (GMT -8)

It just will NOT stop raining here in the NW. Have not been able to get outside to make a "how to" video yet but soon. Someone asked about measurement and I will be happy to share all that in the "how to" but hell, it just will not stop raining.
Went a little nutz last night making music....it turned out mediocre but I really don't care....I am posting it here because towards the middle is a good view of the "roll in landings" I am now doing.....later...SJ

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Hang gliding general :: RE: Carbon or Aluminum outer leading edges - Stiffer the better?

26 April, 2017 - 18:16
Author: NMERider
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:16 am (GMT -8)

Wonder Boy wrote: I think he's saying you should have a look at the 6th addition from 2015 There are 2 different version of the 2012 5th edition manual floating around on Wills Wing's web site which reserve the sprog measurements for the T2 and T2C 144. One I downloaded onto my cell phone and the other was on my PC. But that's not my point.

Everyone in this sport would benefit if we'd all check our facts before sharing our well-meaning wisdom and I'm not calling our anyone in particular on this either because this includes me. I can't count the number of times I rattled off some information then decided to check my data sources only to discover that my statements were non-factual. In the instant case I checked my copy of the T2/C 5th edition manuals on my cell phone and my PC and low and behold each has a different version of the sprog angle chart. That's an example of fact-checking. In this case the error is insignificant.

But I have received all manner of non-factual and phantasmagorical information from any number of respected pilots as well as everyone else. Most of it is harmless but not all of it is. Some falsehoods, myths and misconceptions can lead to harm or even to disaster.

If a pilot doesn't know something for a fact then he or she should say so. There's no harm or dishonor is saying, "I don't know the answer--why don't we see if we can look it up and find out the facts?" In the case of the 2012 5th edition manual see the screen shots below. That's trivial. It's not like some of the things people say to each other, post on the web or write in the magazine which suffers from a lack of peer review.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Carbon or Aluminum outer leading edges - Stiffer the better?

26 April, 2017 - 17:18
Author: Wonder Boy
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:18 am (GMT -8)

I think he's saying you should have a look at the 6th addition from 2015
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Hang & Para PR Video?

26 April, 2017 - 16:43
Author: Wonder Boy
Subject: Re: Hang & Para PR Video?
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:43 am (GMT -8)

ChattaroyMan wrote: AIRTHUG wrote: ChattaroyMan wrote: I'd love to have a good one, maybe with some drone views and on-glider views that imparted a feel for what a typical launch and setup area looked like, the space required to complete a launch in little to no wind for both hangs and paras, etc.
Thanks for those vids Ryan - lots of good ideas on camera work/placement. I especially like the launch and launch area sequences of the Ellenville vids.

Ever notice the vid on the bottom or the main COL page.....
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Hello - new member

26 April, 2017 - 14:26
Author: DAVE 858
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:26 am (GMT -8)

I could not think of a cooler place to fly than south africa. Good luck & enjoy!