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Hang gliding general :: RE: Smallest hill you've caught a thermal

12 June, 2017 - 19:42
Author: Wonder Boy
Subject: Re: Smallest hill you've caught a thermal
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:42 am (GMT -8)

rvr600 wrote: What is the smallest hill you have caught thermals from? What was your technique? Want to hear them all.

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Incident Reports :: RE: Quite possibly the dumbest most unsafe thing I've ever seen

12 June, 2017 - 19:36
Author: Jason
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:36 am (GMT -8)

DAVE 858 wrote: Jason wrote: https://youtu.be/_xCDNpCt-BM?t=415

I guess risking a lifetime of incontinence is worth it when it comes to getting your totally sick shot bro!

yes, im sure thats what my old man, whos been flying since dirt was new thought when he walked down to an area i couldn't run too if i tried thought when he took that video of me launching.

check out yesterdays fun (attached) landing approach.......at that point i was doing about 78 mph........


i don't know you, but i fly to have fun, and part of having fun (for me) is the occasional buzz job

maybe you should go fly rather than rip on people who quite clearly know the pilot they are video taping, and when it really comes down too it, are fully capable of ducking

or this other photo that i love, no idea who the guy in the photo is, but after seeing him taking pictures, and asking for them from the air, he walked out, and held up a piece of paper with an email address. i picked it out of his hand and he sent me that photo........

Incident Reports :: RE: Quite possibly the dumbest most unsafe thing I've ever seen

12 June, 2017 - 19:36
Author: DMarley
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:36 am (GMT -8)

kukailimoku wrote:

No details provided, no video evidence so none of that stuff every really happened of course.



Precisely.
When plain vanilla people see whipped-mint-chocolate-chip people having fun, well, no good can come from that. Best leave it all under wraps.

Incident Reports :: RE: Quite possibly the dumbest most unsafe thing I've ever seen

12 June, 2017 - 19:21
Author: DMarley
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:21 am (GMT -8)

Yeah, and those crazy azz Wright Brothers taking pictures and video of themselves on the sands of Kitty Hawk trying to fly their unsafe flying contraptions. Just what did they think they were, birds?! Just plain irresponsible if you ask Dave and me.

Hang gliding general :: Smallest hill you've caught a thermal

12 June, 2017 - 19:17
Author: rvr600
Subject: Smallest hill you've caught a thermal
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:17 am (GMT -8)

What is the smallest hill you have caught thermals from? What was your technique? Want to hear them all.

Hang gliding general :: Crooked fake buyers responding to Classifieds listings

12 June, 2017 - 19:16
Author: wonderwind_flyer
Subject: Crooked fake buyers responding to Classifieds listings
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:16 am (GMT -8)

...

I haven’t listed a glider for sale in the classified section for maybe 8 years or so. I remember during that listing period that I only received inquiries from real pilots. I have a glider listed and have received a bunch of fake/scam people contacting me. Below is a small sample of the initial contact messages. The other messages are very similar. As you can see, none of them ask the type of valid questions about a glider that a real pilot would ask but most messages contain a real-looking first and last name associated with a g-mail account. None of the names appear in the USHPA member directory.

I am wondering if other sellers here on HG.org are receiving a large amount of messages from crooks.

Here are a few of what I have received:
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Hello,
I want to purchase the Moyes Litespeed S3, you put up for sale. Would you accept a check as payment? I'll make adequate arrangement with a mover for the pick up after the check clears in your bank, can you provide some photo of it, if available? Thanks for the consideration.
……….
Hello Seller,
I saw your post concerning Moyes product for sale. I am so interested in buying it. However, can I have a
photo attached and send to my email ? Hope payment with Certified
Cashier Check from US Local Bank Suitable for the payment ?
I await your reply.
……….
Whats your final price?
i will not be able to visit you to see and confirm the condition of the product but i have an inspector/professional who knows much about the product and will visit you to inspect the condition of the product as you have advertised. Kindly send me your name and address to scheduled an inspection date. I can pay you $1,000 as commitment fee via check and i will pay you the balance as soon as the inspector confirm to me that the product is in good condition as advertised. let me know if this is fine with you.
..............
Hello,
Is your item still for sale?
I am very interested but I will advise you
not to bother about the delivery that will be handle by my local
mover/shipper's once the check deliver... However,we can proceed with
the sale by providing your details such as Name that check will be
payable to,mailing address,cell phone number in order to instruct me
client to issue the check as soon as possible and deliver to your
doorstep via USPS service respectively.....Beside additional money for
the shipment will be added to the check in which you will transfer the
reminder to the shipper...Hope that is understandable...
I await your reply.
.....................

Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Full-Face Bicycle Helmet Instead of an Air Sports Helmet

12 June, 2017 - 18:47
Author: Soarcerer
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:47 am (GMT -8)

I'm sold. The only problem i'm having is finding a shop that sells the Shiva around Seattle. Seems that not all of the retailers listed on the Kali site actually sell them anymore. One retailer said they could order it for me but have other similar helmets with the same ratings in stock. I'll take a look tonight, but at least I can get properly measured in the shop if I decide to order one.
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Incident Reports :: RE: Quite possibly the dumbest most unsafe thing I've ever seen

12 June, 2017 - 18:43
Author: DAVE 858
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:43 am (GMT -8)

Jason wrote: https://youtu.be/_xCDNpCt-BM?t=415

I guess risking a lifetime of incontinence is worth it when it comes to getting your totally sick shot bro!

Incident Reports :: RE: Quite possibly the dumbest most unsafe thing I've ever seen

12 June, 2017 - 18:40
Author: kukailimoku
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:40 am (GMT -8)

BubbleBoy wrote: Apparently some folks have never seen much dumb and unsafe stuff -- might want to get out more.

JB

Snicker...you and I both resemble that remark. No details provided, no video evidence so none of that stuff every really happened of course.


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Hang gliding general :: RE: Adjusting sprogs on older Sport 2-- ?????

12 June, 2017 - 01:41
Author: NMERider
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:41 pm (GMT -8)

Hang your Sport 2 155 upside down from an overhang or stand it in the tip of the kingpost and balance it inverted. Do this with the VG fully tight. First off, neither the luff lines nor the sprogs should have any effect on the sail either with the sail centered or with the sail shifted to either side. The amount of sprog cable slack and luff line slack should be minimal but not tight on the tighter side of the sail when the sail is shifted to the opposite side. Of course, the sprogs should be set at the same angle and the luff lines should have the same amount of slack. The only time either device should be doing any work in the air is when you are weightless or falling into the glider.
My 2p Worth.
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Incident Reports :: RE: Quite possibly the dumbest most unsafe thing I've ever seen

12 June, 2017 - 01:33
Author: NMERider
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:33 pm (GMT -8)

DAVE 858 wrote: RRG aside. I think someone needs a talking to. You're both on Facebook. Message him.
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Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Full-Face Bicycle Helmet Instead of an Air Sports Helmet

12 June, 2017 - 01:15
Author: Soarcerer
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:15 pm (GMT -8)

Excellent reply, Red, thanks.

I've been looking at the mountain bike helmets, those are made from a strong fiberglass and have EN certifications. They also have vents rather than holes. Those certs are different than some of the air sports helmets, so obviously those are rated differently. The only issue I see is that some of the mountain bike helmets are slightly heavier - the Insider helmets are 24 ounces while some mountain bike helmets are usually over 30 ounces. Might be slight, but might be enough to make a difference.
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Incident Reports :: RE: Quite possibly the dumbest most unsafe thing I've ever seen

11 June, 2017 - 23:51
Author: DAVE 858
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:51 pm (GMT -8)

RRG aside. I think someone needs a talking to.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Freedom 190 or Falcon 225 for first hang glider?

11 June, 2017 - 23:11
Author: rockjock729
Subject: Freedom 170
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:11 pm (GMT -8)

My first glider was(is) a Freedom 170. I also fly a Liberty, which is my preferred wing on windy days for penetration in getting back to the field. The Freedom is great for foot launch and handles great in bumpy conditions BUT, when aerotowing it does yaw and you have to learn to ignore it and just keep the wings level. If you choose a Freedom, when you learn to aerotow, start with a fin on the kiel. That mediates the yaw significantly, but the downside is that once you release, it is stiffer turning. Not bad, but it is worth it to learn how to ignore the yaw. I took about 2 months before I started towing without the fin, and was amazed on how well the freedom flew once off off tow. If I ever sell my Freedom, it will be to purchase a new one.
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Incident Reports :: RE: Quite possibly the dumbest most unsafe thing I've ever seen

11 June, 2017 - 21:23
Author: NMERider
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:23 pm (GMT -8)

That's Robert's wife who shot that. I believe they worked it out prior to launch, however this does not excuse the risk to our RRRG insurance fund.
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Incident Reports :: RE: Quite possibly the dumbest most unsafe thing I've ever seen

11 June, 2017 - 19:22
Author: DAVE 858
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:22 am (GMT -8)

As pilots we really only have one responsibility & that is to not hurt anyone on the ground. You want to go kill yourself flying into thunderstorms or over stressing the glider doing aerobatics, fine! Just don't hurt anyone else in the process. I have a serious problem when someone knowingly places an otherwise ignorant 3rd party in an extremely dangerous & precarious position. That was bad enough, but then to post it onto f***ing YOUTUBE!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?

Hang gliding general :: RE: Freedom 190 or Falcon 225 for first hang glider?

11 June, 2017 - 19:02
Author: mtnwings
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:02 am (GMT -8)

90% of my students buy the Freedom and finish their training on the Freedom. Comments I have heard are: " Why have you made us fly that Falcon, this Freedom is so much easier to fly"
We train on Falcons and Condors but when it is time to buy I want my customers to fly all that are available and choose for them selves what they are more comfortable in. The Falcon when stalled or flown too slow wants to wrap up or spin in, the Freedoms will not do this, they mush and still fly straight and slow.
It is true that the Freedom is very light handling and very responsive . Here is why some pilots feel the Freedom is harder to tow and the opinion of pilots that HAVE NOT FLOWN the Freedom. Most new tow pilots train on the Falcon, a very stiff and stable glider, great for training but not for getting lots of airtime and it will wear you out. These pilot hop into a Freedom for the first time and are all over the place, usually because they have not been versed on the light handling and quick response of the Freedom. Every student of mine that has gone down to Fla to learn to tow exclaim how their Freedom was on rails when they got towed up, this is because they know to fly with their finger tips and not over control. It's more of the pilot not knowing the glider (what does PIO mean?)f Why does the Freedom usually clean up at the single surface comps, which are all tow event? Why do most all professional tow parks now us the 220 Freedom for their tandems? because that are not wearing out the tandem pilots and they can do more tandems without needing a break, they freakin handle sweet and nice.
I was going to respond the Ryans off the wall ramblings but I know that most all of you know he has never flown one and really has no idea what he is talking about, I call him " Trump Voight", or maybe " Voight Trump" either one "all lies" LOL, Love ya Ryan.
And if you ever installed the curved tips on a Freedom you would know how effortless it is.
Come visit my training hill on any given weekend and watch five, Ten and sometimes fifteen new students training on their new Freedoms and and you will see for your selves how sweet these gliders are , I invite you to do this and fly one your self before you spout off with all these untruths and second hand info that you " heard" about the Freedom. The Freedom has been out for five or six years now, I have sold a hundred of them, why are none found for sale? Why is the resale price so high on them if one does show up used? Why is the used Freedom gone in one or two days after being posted for sale? It is the best value period. Next to the Gecko it is the best glider on the market. besides, it looks so cool, all gliders should have curved tips. If you buy a Falcon you will spend all your time wishing you had a Freedom and wondering why that guy with a lot less experience is fo much higher than you. Didn't fly one? then shut up.
BYW, The Freedom if purchased in the stock configuration is , no VG, no Mylar cloth or any of the other options that are available will find the Freedom light, easy to set up, balanced on your shoulders and sweet to fly. The cool thing about the Freedom is that you can buy V.G. ( buy a new glider with out this option?) Why? Add heavy Mylar or race cloth and the glider gets heavier just as the Falcon does when you add heavier cloth. It does have a higher aspect ratio which means more wing span and more performance, a few LBS but who cares when you have a single surface glider that fly along side the Sport but with sweet single surface characteristics, very light pitch pressure and fingertip control. Why do MOST pilot that fly the Freedom land and yell out " I WANT ONE OF THESE!!!" Try one then talk about it, not before you fly one, If you say you didn't like it you are flat out lying. Mr Trump. Also ask yourself, do you want to buy a glider you will out grow in a few months like the Falcon or a glider you will want to own forever?
Greg

Hang gliding general :: RE: Freedom 190 or Falcon 225 for first hang glider?

11 June, 2017 - 17:24
Author: TomGalvin
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:24 am (GMT -8)

AIRTHUG wrote:
Disclaimer here is that I hate the Freedom.

Have you flown one yet, or are you just doing the arm chair thing?

For the OP, talk to your instructor about the right glider for you.
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Incident Reports :: Quite possibly the dumbest most unsafe thing I've ever seen

11 June, 2017 - 17:21
Author: DAVE 858
Subject: Quite possibly the dumbest most unsafe thing I've ever seen
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:21 am (GMT -8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2bfFeyY9Qk&t=0s

CMON MAN!

Hang gliding general :: RE: Adjusting sprogs on older Sport 2-- ?????

11 June, 2017 - 17:05
Author: aeroexperiments
Subject: Re: Adjusting sprogs on older Sport 2-- ?????
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:05 am (GMT -8)

aeroexperiments wrote: Adjusting sprogs on older Sport 2-- ?????

Bump to the top...

aeroexperiments wrote:

Looking at various Sport 2's set up at local sites, in light wind/ no-wind conditions, I've noticed a HUGE amount of variation in how hard the sprogs push up against the transverse battens. On one newish glider where the owner said the sprogs had never been changed from the factory settings, the sprogs pushed up quite hard against the transverse battens. On other gliders, the sprogs pushed up with much less pressure against the transverse battens, and on one, the sprogs didn't even touch the transverse battens!

What do other Sport 2 owners observe -- when the glider is set up in no-wind conditions, how hard do the sprogs push up against the tranverse battens? Have your sprogs ever been changed from the factory settings?


aeroexperiments wrote:
6) The manual suggests that the sprog settings can affect trim speed with VG 2/3 tight and tighter. Apparently the sprog needs to put some pressure on the sail to keep trim speed approximately constant as the VG is tensioned from 2/3 to full. If the sprogs are exerting excessive pressure on the sail, the trim speed will decrease as the VG is tensioned from 2/3 to full, and if the sprogs are exerting too little or zero pressure on the sail, the trim speed will increase as the VG is tensioned from 2/3 to full. Is this still the current thinking of Wills Wing? The sprogs really are supposed to engage the sail in non-turning flight at trim speed, at VG settings of 2/3 and above? Do other pilots tune their Sport 2's in such a manner that this happens (how would you really know for sure)?

Has anyone ever filmed inside the sail on a Sport 2? If so, on your glider, do the sprog wires go tight when flying wings-level at trim (presumably set somewhere near min sink) at VG settings at 2/3 VG and above? Have your sprogs ever been changed from the factory settings?

Thanks
Guess I'll have to film mine now that I asked...

Steve