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Hang gliding general :: RE: A ghostly figure from the past ...

17 March, 2017 - 22:04
Author: jlatorre
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:04 pm (GMT -8)

peanuts wrote: hello JLT. i sorta kinda remember some long haired hippie complaining of knee pain back in the day. we'll have to stop in at Sadie's for lunch sometime and talk things over. how'd you like that C5B?

Did you just hear a nickel drop?

I think I know who you are. And if you happen to have some dim memory of losing a deck shoe over some godforsaken canyon in the Sandias and having to land an Olympus on one foot, I know exactly who you are.

Hang gliding general :: RE: A ghostly figure from the past ...

17 March, 2017 - 19:19
Author: kukailimoku
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:19 am (GMT -8)

Yeah, me and all the water in the tub did a quick spin and then landed on the lawn!

One of my least flattering landings ever.

I miss hang gliding, too. It comes to mind literally every day but the old arthritic bones just won't allow it. I scratch the itch island-hopping in airplanes these days.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: A ghostly figure from the past ...

17 March, 2017 - 18:57
Author: jlatorre
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:57 am (GMT -8)

kukailimoku wrote: Hello stranger, your name sure brings back a lot of great memories from the way-back machine!

Caesar's ladder attached to the ceiling and his clipped-wing flight during the Loma Prieta quake comes to mind...I think you were still at the house for that.

I was living there, but wasn't home. I remember you saying that it was the first time you saw whitecaps in a hot tub...

Quote: I wish I knew how many sails you made that I slid onto frames and took flying. I suspect it's a massive number. They were always works of art.

Why, thank you!

Quote: Are you still building tents for the SCA folks?

No, I closed that business a few years ago. Now I'm mostly writing, building musical instruments, and enjoying retirement. I do miss hang gliding, though. No convenient places to fly around here ... not like the coast.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Hello / first post

17 March, 2017 - 18:48
Author: flybop
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:48 am (GMT -8)

Welcome David. You have a great group of pilots and sites in Pa. Look up the Hyner Group. Hyner is a site near Renovo, Pa.

Pa is also full of great flying sites. I am not sure about instruction near Scranton, but the Hyner guys can help with that. http://www.hynerclub.com/

There is instruction across the river in Ny, but my advice is to learn with the group you will be flying with if possible. One caveat to learning though. You will learn more quickly, more affordably and with less stress if you can devote blocks of time to it.

A good first step would be to contact the Hyner crew and find out where they will be flying next.Offer to be a driver, bring a few beers and soak up as much as you can. (info about hang gliding I mean.) Any group of pilots will welcome a new pilot who is enthusiastic, patient and willing to hang out and drive.

Good luck and keep us posted.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: A ghostly figure from the past ...

17 March, 2017 - 17:33
Author: kukailimoku
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:33 am (GMT -8)

Hello stranger, your name sure brings back a lot of great memories from the way-back machine!

Caesar's ladder attached to the ceiling and his clipped-wing flight during the Loma Prieta quake comes to mind...I think you were still at the house for that.

I wish I knew how many sails you made that I slid onto frames and took flying. I suspect it's a massive number. They were always works of art.

Are you still building tents for the SCA folks?
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Untangling them will annoy you as you lose consciousness.

Hang gliding general :: RE: A ghostly figure from the past ...

17 March, 2017 - 17:16
Author: red
Subject: A ghostly figure from the past ...
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:16 am (GMT -8)

Hi, John!

Good to hear from you on the .ORG! Campers, this guy personally built my Magic IV sail, and gotta say, it served me well. We go back many years beyond that, but one day I needed a sail, so I called Pacific Airwaves, and got a real surprise when an old friend answered the phone. This guy is the real deal, and I'm happy to call him a friend.

Give me a call sometime when it's quiet, John, I got a million tales to tell.

What a long, strange trip it's been . . . Jerry Garcia


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Hang gliding general :: RE: A ghostly figure from the past ...

17 March, 2017 - 16:45
Author: jlatorre
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:45 am (GMT -8)

waltspoint wrote: Cool! Electraflyer put out the Olympos, right? I didn't own one, but I remember really liking that glider. I had two PacAir gliders, a K2 and a K5. Maybe you stitched those sails? If so, thanks you did a good job. Cheers! /jd

Yup. The Olympus. Or the "Oly" or the "Slowly" ... its speed range was, shall we say modest? But it handled well, although later gliders like the Atlas and the Eclipse would out-do it only a few years later. I only flew one once, but I worked on tons of sails for them.

By the time the K2 and K5 came out, I was mostly doing management stuff (shop foreman, purchasing agent) for PacAir, but would help out in the sail loft from time to time if they were short-handed. So I might have had a hand in them. I built the prototype sails for them, but those wouldn't have ended up on the market, having been destroyed in the certification process. (We did really bad things to those poor gliders.)

Hang gliding general :: RE: Suprone revisited, the "Fenison Fly Bar"

17 March, 2017 - 16:37
Author: dbotos
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:37 am (GMT -8)

Jim,

Good stuff - looking forward to more video!

Can you give some more details on your wheels? I like the notion of something with a decent diameter but not super-balloony on the width.

David

Hang gliding general :: RE: A ghostly figure from the past ...

17 March, 2017 - 16:35
Author: jlatorre
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:35 am (GMT -8)

peanuts wrote: hello JLT. i sorta kinda remember some long haired hippie complaining of knee pain back in the day. we'll have to stop in at Sadie's for lunch sometime and talk things over. how'd you like that C5B?

Well, you obviously remember me, but I can't place the nickname "Peanuts" ... you'll have to PM me and jog my memory. (Can't remember Sadie's, either, unless I knew it from some other name ... Dean's? High Rock Burger Bar?

You know, I still have the C5B. It's hanging in my garage now ... the only glider I've kept of all the ones I've owned. It was my first diver, which is one reason I've kept it. The other was that I wouldn't want to inflict it on anybody else. It flew great, but was tip-stally and very tail-heavy until you got it flying. People trained on modern gliders would have a nasty shock ...

Hang gliding general :: RE: Suprone revisited, the "Fenison Fly Bar"

17 March, 2017 - 15:25
Author: sunnyjim
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:25 am (GMT -8)

finally had a clear, non rainy day here yesterday in the great Northwest....took off from Dog mtn in light wind....caught a good thermal on the south side to about a grand over launch....roll control was exceptional now that I have lowered my center of mass by 4 inches....I also tested the top speed available with my new design and easily broke 50 mph on my old super sport!!!! Houston, we now have SPEED IN SUPRONE!!! Also kept my feet in the fully suprone position for landing and it was a piece of cake. A total non-event.....even though I had not secured my wheels from shifting side to side and my right wheel drifted right on the basetube, caught up against the DT and threw me into a sleight spin to the right during landing the landing was gentle and safe.....The "airbag" built into the PG harness totally kept my bottom from contacting terra firma....felt like sitting down on a feather bed..
This was my FIRST real thermal flight in Suprone. And even though I kinda felt like a newbie thermal pilot in this position I had no problem staying with the core. During and After this flight I took notice that I had no sore shoulders, no sore neck, roll control was effortless, I could pull in for as much speed as I desired....No rotation is required for landing....I think we really have something here. The only potential "problem" I encountered was the "air scoop" on the front of the "airbag" did slightly "catch" on the basetube as I let out the bar after pulling in for speed. Wasn't a problem really, but it provided a slight "jerk" as I let the bar out....so....cleaner harness would eliminate that...no air bag...I am going to track down one of those fancy "pods" the PG's are flying with...probably with foam under the arse instead of an airbag.....One other problem that will be solved by more experience is I did misjudge altitude for my approach....being all laid back while doing an approach is a new perspective. So used to rotating to the uprights...so it threw off my judgement a bit and my vario was too far away so the fact I was in rapidly sinking air did not "register" right away with me....I pulled it off but made my final turn pretty damn low....I need to remind myself that I am not a hang 4 with 45 years experience in this flying position.....I am a newbie....

Hang gliding general :: RE: Hello / first post

17 March, 2017 - 15:12
Author: Windlord
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:12 am (GMT -8)

David
Great that you'll able to join us.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Hello / first post

17 March, 2017 - 14:26
Author: jimmygoat
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:26 am (GMT -8)

Hi David, I like you didn't get around to hang gliding until later in life. If you do get in the air you probably will be addicted, I know I am. Welcome.

Hang gliding general :: Hello / first post

17 March, 2017 - 10:51
Author: Shammy
Subject: Hello / first post
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:51 am (GMT -8)

Hello there everyone! It's my first post as I just registered. I've been wanting to check out the hang gliding world for decades, but never seemed to get around to it until now. My name is David and I live in Northeast PA. I gave myself the nickname "Shammy" that was the name of my little cockatiel who passed away in December at 17 years old.

Just to let everybody know, I'm not the brightest crayon in the box. I've been known to need to have some things explained to me a few times. So if you ever feel frustrated that I'm not "getting it," you're not alone. LOL I just am slow with respect to some things (not everything).

Anyway, I'm happy to be here. I hope this is an active group.

David

Hang gliding general :: RE: Use of 303 Aerospace Protectant on dacron sails / harness?

17 March, 2017 - 09:58
Author: ascaro
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:58 am (GMT -8)

303 anti-UV seems to work on dacron and technora too,but I's not so cheap.
I've put it on my previous wings and it seemed to work.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Baja Mexico helicopter crash

17 March, 2017 - 08:57
Author: nevillestyke
Subject: Power line
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:57 am (GMT -8)

The tail rotor got hooked up on the ground wire so spinning was reduced but the wire most likely got pulled into the rotor disc and destroyed the main blades.

https://youtu.be/RIZb838Um4M

Hang gliding general :: RE: Baja Mexico helicopter crash

17 March, 2017 - 08:22
Author: miraclepieco
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:22 am (GMT -8)

Okay, hot air balloons are on my "never fly" list, and now helicopters.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Visiting Fort Funston, looking to rent /guidance

17 March, 2017 - 08:17
Author: miraclepieco
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:17 am (GMT -8)

Contact Pat Denevan at Mission Soaring. He has many gliders and harnesses available for test flights.

The camp fire :: RE: Something for Waveview

17 March, 2017 - 05:12
Author: Nicos
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:12 pm (GMT -8)

I used to live in Geraldton, wavesailing MASSIVE offshore reef breaks all day, all summer long. Folks from all over the world, hanging with living legends of the sport.

I still remember on the big days taking flight from those huge waves, then being pretty high in-between the peaks... I was pretty lucky at times, but knew many who weren't... pretty serious business.

In those days that 3,000km section was indeed sealed, though I heard many stories of journeys with only dusty corrugations and motion sickness. Who knew I would end up *actually* flying — these days I find hang gliding muuuuuch safer than sailboarding in monster swell. Funny how things work out

The camp fire :: RE: Something for Waveview

17 March, 2017 - 04:50
Author: Charlie Romeo
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:50 pm (GMT -8)

Nicos,Western Aust , easily our biggest state. Visited your state Waveview once a loong time ago. Never left Perth and its beaches funny thing is,on the way there from the east it was hundreds of miles of v rough dirt ""highway" with a brand new bitumen road unopenned running parallel to us.After three weeks in Perth ,the highway was openned and smooth cruising back to SA

Hang gliding general :: RE: Visiting Fort Funston, looking to rent /guidance

17 March, 2017 - 04:28
Author: Cloudhopper
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:28 pm (GMT -8)

Sounds like you are well qualified...It's a friendly bunch so I expect you will be able to find a wing. Most of us have a few extra's lying around. Definitely bring your harness and helmet. It's a good time to fly. You will probably find something better than I am am prepared to offer. What size T2C do you fly?

You can PM me as the time gets near if you are still "up in the air" so to speak.


Good Luck