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Hang gliding general :: BRAZILIAN COMP PILOTS HEADED TO DINOSAUR

11 June, 2017 - 14:07
Author: Chico_MON
Subject: BRAZILIAN COMP PILOTS HEADED TO DINOSAUR
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:07 am (GMT -8)

Posting on behalf of Marcelo.

cell : 1-407-360-2998 (whatsapp)

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My buddies from Brazil are headed to Dinosaur. They are just leaving Whitewater, WI. Feel free to text Marcelo, or contact via Facebook regarding flying sites along the way, and contact names.
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Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Full-Face Bicycle Helmet Instead of an Air Sports Helmet

11 June, 2017 - 14:06
Author: red
Subject: Full-Face Bicycle Helmet Instead of an Air Sports Helmet
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:06 am (GMT -8)

Soarcerer,

I would be prejudiced against using any "well-ventilated" bike helmet - holes in helmets are bad luck, according to conventional HG wisdom (and I agree). You do not want a helmet that can snag on the landscape, when you really need it to slide, instead. Some bike helmets also use very hard foam, which can also be a problem, with a strike impact. These two considerations will eliminate many "bike" helmets from HG use.

That said, the downhill bike racer helmets now are extremely promising. These are not your common bike helmets. They are reasonably smooth outside, with few if any vent holes, and may incorporate some advanced foam technologies, such as the newer KALI lids. There are also the 6D and MIPs helmet technologies, which are also very serious considerations. Internal pads and liners are usually machine-washable. The chin guards may or may not be worthwhile, so buyer beware there. Some lids will have clear or tinted face shields available. If you need a face shield and there is no commercial version offered, you can make your own (DIY). Look here for the simple process:
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=30700#

The long-board (street luge) crew may have some decent helmet offerings to consider, as well.

I would caution against using some so-called "HG helmets" these days, which may not offer much better protection than a salad bowl. They may be sleek, light, and even sexy, but you only get one brain, and it needs real protection in a crash. Do not choose by light weight, or good looks. If those two items are even on the list, they should be dead last, after all other vital specs are satisfied.

As for conventional helmet certifications, I would want every cert standard available for my new choice of helmets. Not all helmets can get more than one certification, but some helmets can have several, and you will not see the difference, normally. More is better with certs, IMHO.

My $.02 worth.
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Incident Reports :: RE: Dog Mountain crash report Sunday June 5, 2:00pm (John was no

11 June, 2017 - 12:06
Author: Nigel Hewitt
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:06 am (GMT -8)

Wonder Boy wrote: Paragliders like to call going into trees a "landing" (anything else in a tree would be a crash)
I landed in a hedge a couple of weeks back.
Didn't bend much so it can't really be a crash.

Lost my glasses though so an expensive landing.
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Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: Full-Face Bicycle Helmet Instead of an Air Sports Helmet

11 June, 2017 - 08:24
Author: Soarcerer
Subject: Full-Face Bicycle Helmet Instead of an Air Sports Helmet
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:24 am (GMT -8)

This might be an odd question but there's a reason as to why i'm asking -

What are some opinions regarding the usage of a full-face bicycle helmet instead of using a helmet made specifically for air sports?

I can't seem to find a helmet which fits me, they are all too small. I have a big head or a fat head depending upon your perspective I'm really afraid of ordering one and then it doesn't fit right, sending it back and then repeating the process. Meanwhile, I can go into a bike shop and try helmets on in the store.

Is there much of a difference? Bike helmets are light and instructors often use them for H1 and early H2 training. If I blow a launch and end up face-first into the dirt or treeline, will a full-face bicycle helmet hold-up?

Finally...can a radio headset be installed into a full-face bicycle helmet? This is not as important, but thought i'd ask since I'm bringing this entire topic up.

Thoughts?
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: 5-21-17 81 mile FAI - Atos VR

11 June, 2017 - 07:09
Author: Wonder Boy
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:09 pm (GMT -8)

They do, they have an Atos easy

https://vimeo.com/20713374
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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: 5-21-17 81 mile FAI - Atos VR

11 June, 2017 - 01:08
Author: miraclepieco
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:08 pm (GMT -8)

Wonder Boy wrote:
Drove across the country to get it.
Totally worth it and would do it again!

The latest / greatest flex wings dont come close to the performance of an 06 VR
Would be great to fly a new one to see how much better they are now.

People dont know what they are missing

That's what we've tried to tell them for a couple of decades now. It's just hard to believe that adventure-seeking types like hang glider pilots are so unwilling to break out of their comfort zone. On any given day a rigid wing will give any pilot a better flight than a flex wing.

Not only are rigid wings higher performing, but they also are LOTS MORE FUN TO FLY - because of the control surfaces you don't have to wrestle them around so much; you are much more sensitive to the surrounding air. Their weight and narrower chord make them significantly more stable in turbulence.

Trouble is it's hard convincing a pilot who's come up through the recommended WW glider progression to suddenly change horses in mid-stream (actually the metaphor should be "change from a horse to an eagle in mid-stream). If WW made a rigid, US pilot brand loyalty would help them gain acceptance. Or if A-I-R made rigid trainers, that would help pilots make the switch. But for the foreseeable future hang glider pilots intentionally choose an obsolete derivative of a standard rogallo, rather than the ultimate in flying technology.

Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Central Bolt Query

10 June, 2017 - 23:20
Author: Carl
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:20 pm (GMT -8)

It appears to me,from a mechanical standpoint,that particular bolt is intentionally short in order to prevent abrasions- a location that a cap nut could be used in.
Like it has been said the securing feature of the nylock is not being employed here.
I believe a lot of thought was put into the decision to go this route

Thanks for the AN bolt chart and information!
I find it very interesting and useful
Another bit of knowledge that will keep me flying more safely
Thanks again

Hang gliding Videos :: Full Moon Friday Flying, Fun & Funky!

10 June, 2017 - 22:19
Author: NMERider
Subject: Full Moon Friday Flying, Fun & Funky!
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:19 pm (GMT -8)


Link

The day was quite different from forecast but in a good way. I was expecting to launch around 3PM and go ridge racing in smooth winds blowing straight into the ridgeline but noOOOoooo. There was a moist marine air convergence event that kicked off lift to 7K and nifty clouds. Two PGs beamed up early and went cotton candy surfing, landing after 90 minutes of bliss a few feet away from us mere mortals who were still assembling our Halloween bones on Marshall Peak. One HG went up to Crestline alone and launched while we were more assembled than not and instantly beamed up to cloud base. We had Rob's tandem and a few assorted flex wings plus a VQ. Everybody got up and all went in different directions. The clouds were mostly a recent memory with occasional haze dome condensation but most of it was short-lived and the air held some pretty good rodeo rides in not only the usual places but unexpected sneak attacks as well. Thermals were mostly chaotic, short-lived and broken up. Still, it was a fun afternoon and several of us weathered for over 3 hours of the abuse. There was a 4PM shuttle to Marshall as well and a little drama I spotted later in my flight when I noticed a PG all bunched up in the brush behind where the HGs top-land. Post-flight we had a strawberry full moon rise. A small cadre of ua hung around until after 8:11PM local moon rise to watch it ascend through the thick haze closer to 8:26PM behind distant, Snow Peak. I shot a few hundred stills and mashed most of them up into a shaky time-lapse at the end of the flight segment.
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Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Central Bolt Query

10 June, 2017 - 21:25
Author: dbotos
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:25 pm (GMT -8)

The dash number (the number after the "-") is just referring to a specific row in the table. Depending on the thread size, the same dash number could be a completely different length. For example, look at the dash 22 row on page 2:

AN3-22 is 2-9/32" long
AN4-22 is 2-9/32" long

AN5-22 is 2-11/32" long

AN6-22 is 2-21/64" long

AN7-22 is 2-11/32" long
AN8-22 is 2-11/32" long

AN9-22 is 2-13/32" long

Be careful on the step sizes too. Sometimes the steps are smaller when they're really short. For example, AN3-3 to AN3-4 is only a 1/16" step, but then starts going into 1/8" steps after that.

The short answer is "always refer to the spec / tables".

Hang gliding general :: RE: Advice on Decorating Dacron, Inks, Dyes, ect.

10 June, 2017 - 20:20
Author: Ground Slammer
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:20 pm (GMT -8)

To KTM-if the old comes off clean (unlike the gooo one has to deal with with tape) sounds like a winner! I have a next door neighbor who is a sign maker he will fill me in-hope I can DIY. This may be a shorter thread than I thought.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Advice on Decorating Dacron, Inks, Dyes, ect.

10 June, 2017 - 15:58
Author: KTMPilot
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:58 am (GMT -8)

4 to 6 mil adhesive vinyl works and is easier to remove than insignia cloth. CAD and cutting available in sign shops or DIY with cricut, etc.

Q&A, Learning to hang glide :: RE: Central Bolt Query

10 June, 2017 - 15:46
Author: Tormod
Subject: Re: Central Bolt Query
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:46 am (GMT -8)

dbotos wrote: Helix3 wrote: dbotos - Never would have found the parts without your help. Putting in an order today. Bless your heart for saving me from dealer prices. If you're ever in NorCal and need a glider, you can borrow one of mine. How did you figure out the 2-11/32 Nominal Length from the manual?

I'll have to keep that offer in mind if I ever finish up my H2.

Length is in the congugation of the part number:

AN5 = 5/16-24 thread size
-22 = 2-11/32 length for AN5
A = undrilled

The full eye chart that includes AN5 is here (click orange Download File button to see pdf):

http://everyspec.com/AN-SPECS/AN100-AN999/AN3_THRU_AN20_REV-12_6281/

Isn't the lenght in 1/8" inch steps? The first number defines the lenght in whole inches, then you multiply the next with 1/8 and add that.

A AN5-22(A) bolt would then be 2 and 1/4" long measured from under the head.

Incident Reports :: RE: Dog Mountain crash report Sunday June 5, 2:00pm (John was no

10 June, 2017 - 15:44
Author: Wonder Boy
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:44 am (GMT -8)

Yep, you blow a launch, you crashed, bust a DT, crash.
Paragliders like to call going into trees a "landing" (anything else in a tree would be a crash)

Come on everyone, stop trying to sugar coat it.
It is what it is!

(A lie is the truth you tell to yourself
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Advice on Decorating Dacron, Inks, Dyes, ect.

10 June, 2017 - 13:53
Author: toestub
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:53 am (GMT -8)

Insignia cloth might work for awhile. Back when racers needed numbers on their wings, they lasted for years. Problem is rolling and setting up often, mine went bad all of a sudden after 2 years and it was a b**** getting the old junk removed.

I watched a pilot paint his trike wing. Turned out gorgeous with rainbow colors. Up close you could see some blotchiness and color bleeding, but from 20 ft away you couldn't tell. He used silk screen ink. I know it lasted at least 2 years of weekly summer flying.

An old post I have because my old wing is all white and I was thinking of doing the same thing-----

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.aviation.ultralight/rrvPn1bshWA

Hang gliding general :: RE: Advice on Decorating Dacron, Inks, Dyes, ect.

10 June, 2017 - 13:17
Author: AIRTHUG
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:17 am (GMT -8)

I am envious of how much free time is sounds like you have...
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Incident Reports :: RE: Dog Mountain crash report Sunday June 5, 2:00pm (John was no

10 June, 2017 - 13:16
Author: AIRTHUG
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:16 am (GMT -8)

I concur with Paul.

Also, I concur with calling it a crash. But then again I'm of the unpopular opinion that any kind of uncontrolled failure to get airborne, and any uncontrolled return to Earth, is a crash. So in my mind, every broken downtube is absolutely without compromise a CRASH. Usually those that break downtubes vehemently reject this opinion.

Maybe Comet fails to get airborne from time to time, and that's why he rejects calling "a blown launch" a crash?
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Incident Reports :: RE: Dog Mountain crash report Sunday June 5, 2:00pm (John was no

10 June, 2017 - 08:32
Author: Paul H
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:32 am (GMT -8)

Comet wrote: CRASH? Pretty strong term for a simple blown launch, don't you think?
In the OP's own words:

"John was fine...The glider was surprisingly not too damaged."

So now because the title says "CRASH" the public perception of hang gliding being deadly is confirmed even though there was no damage or injury.

Think before you post this crap, people.


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Yes, think before you post, Comet. You responded to the title of a year-old topic.

Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Young guy learning to fly

10 June, 2017 - 07:07
Author: waveview
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:07 pm (GMT -8)

Up above the clouds at 15


Link

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Incident Reports :: RE: Dog Mountain crash report Sunday June 5, 2:00pm (John was no

10 June, 2017 - 06:41
Author: Comet
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:41 pm (GMT -8)

CRASH? Pretty strong term for a simple blown launch, don't you think?
In the OP's own words:

"John was fine...The glider was surprisingly not too damaged."

So now because the title says "CRASH" the public perception of hang gliding being deadly is confirmed even though there was no damage or injury.

Think before you post this crap, people.


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Incident Reports :: RE: Dog Mountain crash report Sunday June 5, 2:00pm (John was no

10 June, 2017 - 05:05
Author: jcoyier
Subject: Why fly an Easy Riser?
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:05 pm (GMT -8)

A) I had one.
B) a fun retirement project.
C) I'm retired and find re-design and re-building a fun activity (I am an active member of the local Experimental Aircraft Association Chapter and do most of my building there where I rent shop space).
D) my primary glider is an Icaro RX2 which I find very easy to fly but no longer enjoy spending more than an hour in the air in a prone position.
E) the Easy Riser offers an extremely comfortable pilot flying position and I believe much less tiring since you have complete roll control with very little movement on the rudder control and very little motion fore and aft to adjust pitch. Although I've not yet been in the air for more than a 5 minutes, it is already very apparent to me that flying this glider for long periods will be much easier for me than flying my RX2.
F) Aside from gaining the skill to get up into the cage after launch I think the tendency for it to wrap up tightly into a spin if stalled in a turn will be the one flight characteristic to watch out for. This situation is much less forgiving than any of the flex wings I've flown.
G) I don't aspire to do much more than non-Xcountry flying where my goal is to spend several hours in the air without being completely exhausted and just enjoy "boating" around. This glider fills the bill.