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Hang gliding general :: RE: Use of 303 Aerospace Protectant on dacron sails / harness?

17 March, 2017 - 04:21
Author: darkcloud
Subject: Sail cloth cleaner
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:21 pm (GMT -8)

KLH is correct. This stuf easily COMPLETELY removed the blood that I dripped on my brand new white sailcloth. Like magic

Hang gliding general :: RE: Baja Mexico helicopter crash

17 March, 2017 - 02:57
Author: DAVE 858
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:57 pm (GMT -8)

Tail rotor gearbox failure? That was gnarly.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Baja Mexico helicopter crash

17 March, 2017 - 02:43
Author: flybop
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:43 pm (GMT -8)

That was heart wrenching. My life was saved by a medi vac helicopter crew. Whenever I hear of one of these heroes going down it really hits home.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Baja Mexico helicopter crash

17 March, 2017 - 02:31
Author: Eteamjack
Subject: Oops
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:31 pm (GMT -8)

Ouch Rip
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Hang gliding general :: RE: Baja Mexico helicopter crash

17 March, 2017 - 02:27
Author: Nicos
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:27 pm (GMT -8)

That's the thing about helis... just one little thing goes wrong and boom. I'm amazed the thing didn't spin when the tail went out — dang

RIP, better than dying like most people, slowly in a hospital with little dignity.

Hang gliding general :: RE: A ghostly figure from the past ...

17 March, 2017 - 02:14
Author: peanuts
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:14 pm (GMT -8)

hello JLT. i sorta kinda remember some long haired hippie complaining of knee pain back in the day. we'll have to stop in at Sadie's for lunch sometime and talk things over. how'd you like that C5B?

Hang gliding general :: RE: Use of 303 Aerospace Protectant on dacron sails / harness?

17 March, 2017 - 01:55
Author: jlatorre
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:55 pm (GMT -8)

dayhead wrote: Wash your your kite, and you're guaranteeing that you'll whack hard.

So THAT'S what screwed up all those landings! 'Cause I must have washed hundreds of gliders in my time, although most of that consisted of rinsing test-flown gliders to get the salt off them before packing them up.

Quote:
That dirty sail is proof that you are an active pilot, and not a laundry man.

Hadn't heard that one. But we used to say that bird poop on a sail was an avian seal of approval. God knows I've washed my share of seagull poop off sails.

Hang gliding general :: RE: A ghostly figure from the past ...

17 March, 2017 - 01:48
Author: jlatorre
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:48 pm (GMT -8)

Fletcher wrote: Hi JLT
Welcome back

Hope you find some of the people you're looking for.
Fletcher

Thanks for the reply. We'll have to see.

I never flew a Floater, but I did own a Spirit which flew much like it. And flew dozens of Eclipses while working for PWC. They didn't have much of a speed range, but I still think that they were the best "scratching" gliders ever made. They'd stay up when everybody else had landed, shuddering on the ragged edge of a stall but never quitting.

Hang gliding general :: Baja Mexico helicopter crash

17 March, 2017 - 01:47
Author: darkcloud
Subject: Baja Mexico helicopter crash
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:47 pm (GMT -8)

Sad sad sad
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=63a_1489450053

Hang gliding general :: RE: Use of 303 Aerospace Protectant on dacron sails / harness?

17 March, 2017 - 01:30
Author: dayhead
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:30 pm (GMT -8)

Somehow we've forgotten that it's Bad Luck to wash a hang glider. Wash your your kite, and you're guaranteeing that you'll whack hard. Don't believe it? Well, go ahead and wash it, but don't ever say I didn't try to warn ya.

Some will say that it's just a superstition, and maybe there's some truth in that. But it's a belief that gets you out of having to wash your glider, and drink beer with your friends instead, so it's a good one.

That dirty sail is proof that you are an active pilot, and not a laundry man.

Hang gliding general :: RE: hang loop

17 March, 2017 - 01:15
Author: Markvg
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:15 pm (GMT -8)

Here are some photos of my ladder hang loop. Shows carabiner hooked into both the main loop and the ladder rung. Don't forget the backup (the blue hang loop). Don't remember where I got it, just part of the many flying things I have gathered over the years.
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Hang gliding general :: RE: A ghostly figure from the past ...

17 March, 2017 - 01:03
Author: Fletcher
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:03 pm (GMT -8)

Hi JLT
Welcome back
We probably never met but we might have some gliders in common.
My first glider was an Electra Flyer Floater and my second was a Vision Eclipse.
Boy I guess that says something about how old I am.
Hope you find some of the people you're looking for.
Fletcher

Hang gliding general :: RE: Use of 303 Aerospace Protectant on dacron sails / harness?

17 March, 2017 - 00:35
Author: jlatorre
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:35 pm (GMT -8)

Speaking as a former sailmaker, I can tell you that unless AP303 has been reformulated in the past twenty years, it's not good for sails, unless having soft-as-a-tee-shirt sails is your thing.

I've always recommended a mild detergent, like dishwashing soap or liquid hand soap ... something you wouldn't mind having on your skin. The important thing is to rinse it, and then rinse it again, and then rinse it again. You want all traces of the detergent to be removed, lest it react with the UV in the sunlight to degrade the sail.

If you have really old, old copies of Hang Gliding magazine (or the ones available on CD from the USHGA, look for an article I wrote back around 1979. It was called, I believe, "More Than Color and Shape" or something like that. Lots of stuff on sail care there, and most of it is still relevant.

Hang gliding general :: A ghostly figure from the past ...

17 March, 2017 - 00:27
Author: jlatorre
Subject: A ghostly figure from the past ...
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:27 pm (GMT -8)

Hi, folks.

I'm John LaTorre (AKA JLT). I haven't flown in over twenty years, but I was a more or less regular pilot from 1975 to 1995, starting in the Maryland area and moving on to New Mexico and finally northern California.

During that time, hang gliding was also my bread and butter. I've worked for Electra Flyer, Flight Designs, Pacific Windcraft, and Pacific Airwave, among other smaller enterprises, mostly as a sailmaker. (Talk about ghosts from the past ...) I also taught hang gliding for a little while, back at the start.

I'm trying to get in touch with some of the people I used to know back then. I know that Red Howard, Briggs Christie, and some other folks have been known to post on the forum, but I'm sure that there are many others I've lost track of over the years.

Y'all who knew me also might remember that I drove VW buses back then. I've written a book about them called On the Bus: Four Buses, Forty Years, and 400,000 Miles, which has been pretty well received. I've decided that my next book will be about how I encountered hang gliding at a point in my life where I desperately needed a focus, and how hang gliding became the focus. I'm hoping that you might help me jog some memories here and there.

I look forward to meeting you all (most for the first time), and sharing in the dialog.

Peace, and good air.

Hang gliding Videos :: White Knuckle Flying Anyone?

16 March, 2017 - 22:23
Author: NMERider
Subject: White Knuckle Flying Anyone?
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:23 pm (GMT -8)

Unusually turbulent for parts of the first 2 hours yesterday but the last hour was awesome fun. Sorry about the camera shut-off after 1:08hrs. I need to replace a battery connector.

Link

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Hang gliding Videos :: RE: Summer breeze makes you feel fine

16 March, 2017 - 22:04
Author: Nicos
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:04 pm (GMT -8)

It was very good, only had a few hours of airtime but had soul brothers on the wires

Just keep making posts here until you can post..

Hang gliding general :: RE: Suprone revisited, the "Fenison Fly Bar"

16 March, 2017 - 22:02
Author: Nicos
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:02 pm (GMT -8)

Excellent info, thanks!

Hang gliding general :: RE: Suprone revisited, the "Fenison Fly Bar"

16 March, 2017 - 18:11
Author: sunnyjim
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:11 am (GMT -8)

I made my own clamps with uhmw black plastic and a wood router but it was tricky. Obviously no bolts or screws should make contact with the DT's. My two bolts run on either side of the DT's and clamp the transverse portion of the flybar down to the DT's very snug. no wiggle room.
Wills knows about my bar as does every other major manufacture but no one has expressed any interest in putting these bars into production which would a pretty simple process for them since I have already done most the R&D. I think we need to send PM's saying....HEY! we wanna fly this way!...to let them get a realistic idea of the market available.
If nothing else, I will do a quick starter this spring and put the bar into production myself if the quick starter successfully raises enough funds to do so....If the quick starter fails I will probably let the provisional patent lapse (filed oct. 5, 2016)....NOT file a provisional, and put a "how to build one yourself video online".....a possible source of "clamps" that are already made to fit aerofoil tubing without damaging them are cargo carrier clamps made by Thule, Yakima, etc.....BTW.....even though I do have a patent pending, please do not let that stop anyone from building their own if they have the skills to do so....the more of us that are out there flying this way...the more interest will be generated....the more interest that is generated, Showing a market for this way of flying,....the more likely a major manufacture will step up to the plate....

Hang gliding general :: RE: hang loop

16 March, 2017 - 17:02
Author: Dave Jacob
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:02 am (GMT -8)

I like Andy's suggestion for dialing in what you need. And those strap ladders are sweet but if memory serves they are labor intensive to make and can have a high cost if you don't have one. A climbers daisy chain or PAS 22 has the loops spaced out too far to be useful. Yates makes an adjustable daisy strap that you could use. Although it has supported me fine from hanging belay stances, I wouldn't even consider flying with it without a solid backup hang strap. A less expensive method would be to extend your short strap with a small dyneema/nylon sling then loop your hang strap over the carabiner until you are at the right height.

http://rockclimbing.rocks/index.php/yates-adjustable-daisy-strap.html

For the image on the link, the metal ring is your adjustment handle. The load is suspended between the carabiner and the loop of webbing.

Hang gliding general :: RE: Flying Indian Valley

16 March, 2017 - 16:02
Author: remmoore
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:02 am (GMT -8)

DAVE 858 wrote: ...from what I recall it was a relatively easy glide to the main LZ.

It depends on conditions. Late day glassoff gets you out to the valley floor in high style. A sledder day isn't going to work out so well. The zone between Tweetens and the valley floor is infamous for it's sinky conditions if the glassoff isn't in place. Low-perf gliders, or unwary pilots can have a hard time avoiding Tweetens in the wrong conditions. There are techniques for avoiding Tweetens on iffy days, but they're not for the insecure.

RM