Leaving the Hill

PeteC's picture
30 Apr 2009 - 19:30
30 Apr 2009 - 23:00

Carlo Borsattino will be heading an informal presentation on leaving the hill for the first time... with the usual audience participation. The new season is just getting underway, and this meeting is directed at those pilots whose desire it is to go XC from our sites for the first time, or those that just need an update. Weather forecasts, equipment, picking your time, airspace; whatever your questions or concerns with "leaving the hill", come and digest some words of wisdom over a beer.

Venue is the Glynde Social Club on thursday 30th April, and doors open at 7.30pm for an 8'ish kick-off, finishing around 10.

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Carlo Borsattino's picture

Leaving the Hill - XC Talk

I plan to talk about the 'basic essentials' of getting up and away in the UK, with an emphasis on SHGC sites.

I will try as much as possible to make the talk relevant to low airtime pilots as well as the more experienced.

Although I have flown hang gliders a little in the past, I do not have any experience in flying XC on HG therefore this talk will be very much aimed at PG pilots. HG pilots are however very welcome to attend if they want to, of course.

If anyone has any particular aspects of 'leaving the hill' they would like me to cover then let me know by posting to this forum topic.

You may also find the 'XC Talk' podcasts published online by Paul 'Tefal' Andon useful:

http://rollingdowns.co.uk/xctalk/

Best wishes

Carlo Borsattino

The FLYBUBBLE PARAGLIDING team

UK Tel: 01273 812 442
http://www.flybubble.co.uk
http://shop.flybubble.co.uk

Ed Nice's picture

Recording?

Hi Carlo. As you've mentioned Tefal's podcasts are there any plans to record your talk tomorrow evening for those of us that can't make it? Frustrated that I won't be there.
Ed

Carlo Borsattino's picture

Testing testing 123...

Hi Ed,

Sorry but I don't have the necessary equipment (or technical know-how) to record my talk on Thursday, however in any case it will be a fairly loose and informal talk with some slides / photos from some of my UK XC flights to add some colour and help illustrate things , so I am not sure if it will lend itself particularly well to being recorded.

Best wishes

Carlo Borsattino

The FLYBUBBLE PARAGLIDING team

UK Tel: 01273 812 442
http://www.flybubble.co.uk
http://shop.flybubble.co.uk

UK Main Dealers for:
Advance, Brauniger, Charly, Digifly, Flytec, Gin, Icaro, Nova, Skywalk & Sup'Air.

John Porter's picture

Leaving The Hill - XC Talk

Hi Carlo,

I’ve managed to leave the hill a couple of times by blundering into a large thermal and making right turns to cloudbase. Yesterday (26th April 2009) at Caburn, many pilots got to well over 2000 feet AMSL in blue conditions; why did I only manage about 200 feet higher than the hill? Ok, lack of experience and skill etc., but can you give us any tips please on

A/ climbing out from the hill in marginal blue conditions
B/ climbing out from the hill in light winds, where you don’t have the dynamic lift to assist you and
C/ local thermal trigger points for SHGC sites

Beanie's picture

Leaving the hill

Carlo if you could say a little about the advanteges of leaving with a gaggle and the 'etiquette' involved in working together.

Leaving the Hill - XC talk

Hi Carlo

Out and return and triangles please.

Cheers
Alison

Carlo Borsattino's picture

"Leaving the Hill" talk at Glynde Social Club this Thursday 30th

If any SHGC Members have any more requests for topics that they would like me to cover during the "Leaving the Hill" talk which I have been deviously duped and mercilessly dragooned into giving at the SHGC club meeting at Glynde Social Club this Thursday 30th April then please add them to this post.

Best wishes

Carlo Borsattino

The FLYBUBBLE PARAGLIDING team

UK Tel: 01273 812 442
http://www.flybubble.co.uk
http://shop.flybubble.co.uk

UK Main Dealers for:
Advance, Brauniger, Charly, Digifly, Flytec, Gin, Icaro, Nova, Skywalk & Sup'Air.

Laurie's picture

"Leaving the Hill" talk at Glynde Social Club this Thursday 30th

Hi Carlo,

I know you have already said that there will be an emphasis on going XC from SHGC sites but I would also be interested in planning for XC abroad. The airspace restrictions abroad are normally much less severe than here in the UK but still an important issue? How do you research it? Get local knowledge I guess? Any other factors to consider?

I'm really looking forward to your talk.

Thanks

Laurie

Carlo Borsattino's picture

"Leaving the Hill" talk at Glynde Social Club this Thursday 30th

Hi Laurie,

Thanks for your topic request, much appreciated.

As there is only so much that can be realistically covered in one talk, I will only be talking about the 'basic essentials' of getting up and away in the UK, with an emphasis on SHGC sites. As for other UK flying sites, if there is enough time I may mention a few other prime UK XC sites which SHGC members should consider going to according to where the weather is forecast to be best. After all, one of the single most important factors of going XC is being in the right place at the right time – and being able to tell the difference between a good ridge-soaring day and a good XC day!

As for "airspace restrictions abroad" being "normally much less severe than here in the UK" this seems to be a popular, perhaps somewhat convenient, misconception – and one which is often very wrong! There is plenty of restricted airspace in pretty much every country around the world these days, and not just in Europe; in fact many non-European countries are much stricter than European ones about their rules and air law, from my experience. In some countries around the world paragliding is TOTALLY BANNED! In many countries the penalties for flying in the wrong place at the wrong time are much more severe than they are in the UK, where the UK authorities (and UK military) tend to be far more forgiving than they are in many foreign countries; although even in the UK it is possible that you could end up with a very big fine and/or in prison for a every long time by breaking air law!

It is unsurprising that pilots will tend to be more aware of restricted airspace (and other local rules and restrictions) at their local sites than they are of other flying sites and areas that they might visit, particularly abroad where language problems may also contribute to a lack of information / communication. The problem of pilots visiting flying sites other than their own and, through simple ignorance (i.e. a lack of information / communication), breaking local rules and thereby upsetting the locals (inadvertently or otherwise) is a long established, and well known one!

One problem in particular to watch out for at any flying site / area around the world: In a similar way to the growing problem which we are currently experiencing on our own SHGC sites with a small minority of ‘rogue pilots’ (foreign or otherwise) who think it is clever to freeload, ignore site rules, break basic air law etc, you will find the same problems occurring at many other flying sites / areas around the world (and the local non-rogue pilots being equally frustrated by it). The problem is when you visit a flying site / area where you do not know the local pilots and are not aware of the local ‘goings on’ then it can be very difficult to tell who the rogue pilots are and then you could unknowingly find yourself, with all good intentions, being given misinformation by rogue and/or uninformed pilots. Remember: It’s you that will take the blame when you break local rules and/or air law because you listened to someone’s misinformation, not them!

Best wishes

Carlo Borsattino

The FLYBUBBLE PARAGLIDING team

UK Tel: 01273 812 442
http://www.flybubble.co.uk
http://shop.flybubble.co.uk

UK Main Dealers for:
Advance, Brauniger, Charly, Digifly, Flytec, Gin, Icaro, Nova, Skywalk & Sup'Air.

matt pepper's picture

airspace abroad

laurie wrote:

I know you have already said that there will be an emphasis on going XC from SHGC sites but I would also be interested in planning for XC abroad. The airspace restrictions abroad are normally much less severe than here in the UK but still an important issue? How do you research it?

hi Laurie

I bought the garmin 96c which gave me the airspace in france very clearly.
Its always good to check with locals too, Saleve for example is a site with great sensitivity regarding airspace. Climb out too high there and you could find yourself in the flight path of an easy jet flying into geneva and that will be that for that site.

Smurf was over 10,000 ft somewhere in the bauges (annecy) and the 96c bleeped to let him know the airspace was 2000ft above him... A great bit of kit, it allows you to get on and think about other things..